Human Design Deep Dive: Aligning Your Business with Your Energy w/ Amanda Horvath
Amanda Horvath joins me to share her journey of transitioning from a $250,000 video production business to a successful online course creator and YouTube content strategist. We discuss how human design played a critical role in her transformation, the misconceptions around energy types, and the power of aligning your work with your energy to avoid burnout. Tune in for practical advice on how to grow your business sustainably while staying true to yourself.
Takeaways:
Learn how Amanda applied human design principles to pivot her business.
Understand the challenges of creating passive income while staying aligned with personal energy.
Gain insights into the common pitfalls of burnout and how to avoid them.
Explore strategies for aligning your content creation with your energy type.
Be inspired by Amanda’s journey of transforming her business while staying true to herself.
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Podcast Transcript
Lou: Hello, dear listeners. Welcome to another episode of the Art and Business of Meditation podcast. I am your host, Lou Redmond, and today I have an old friend, Amanda Horvath. She is A videographer turned YouTuber turned Human Design analyst and unapologetic deep diver. She helps entrepreneurs decode their human design chart, shed misalignment and collect, connect to the divine guidance we all have access to. Her approach to human design is to help you master the frequency of self from a felt experience, helping you click out of the mind into the wisdom of the body. She lives in Austin, Texas, with her husband, Sam, and toddler maverick. Amanda, welcome to the show.
Amanda: Thanks for having me. Excited to be here. Dive in together.
Lou: Amanda, I normally ask this question for meditation teachers, but I want to ask you it. I haven't asked it in a while, but nowadays, how do you answer the question? What do you do?
Amanda: I've worked a lot on this. It has been a journey, a big, big journey over the last, really two, even two and a half years of becoming a mom and having that whole breakdown. I went through my Saturn return at the same time as having my son, which is this crazy time in life where your life gets shook and anything that's not meant to be there falls away. And then right after that, got hit by a Pluto transit over my Saturn, which is a big life lesson moment of transformation and death and rebirth. And so I now describe myself as, I help you decode your human design chart, shed misalignment, and tune in to the divine guidance within all of us. So you just nailed it on the head.
Lou: So I know sometimes I'm like, I'm asking this, but they just gave me their bio. Like, lou, I just gave you the bio. I told you what I do. But I love that. And I love you explaining kind of the astrological aspect behind all that. Maybe we'll get back to that in a second. But we were originally connected through your brother. Shout out to Zach Horvath, who is the founder of Live A Great Story, which was a company that I was really involved with for a period of time. We met in Austin in 2018, and then shortly after, we went to Peru together on a trip that Zach and my wife organized. And at the time, I remember you were just committing to weekly YouTube videos. And so maybe, just maybe we can. I can get an update, too. What's been up with your life? What were you doing then? And how did you get to human design decoder? Cause I know you weren't doing that back then.
Amanda: I definitely was not right so it's fun because my channel trailer was actually filmed in Peru as we climbed Machu Picchu together. It was, you know, the channel trailer for a long time. It was all about how to create videos without breaking the bank or taking up tons of your time. That was the tagline at the time. And I had been a videographer for five years, running and running a really video marketing company where I shot and edited videos for clients, worked with several subcontractors underneath me. And intuitively I knew that I didn't want to do this for the rest of my life. I knew at some point in time I wanted to be a mom and I wanted to have passive income so that I could, I thought at the time, wanted to be a stay at home mom. I have since learned that is tough, but shout out to all the moms out there. So I had this vision where I was like, I want to have passive income by the time that I'm 30 so that I could be a stay at home mom. Well, I started the YouTube channel in 2018. I passed off my entire client book to my subcontractor in 2019. I went through the depth of despair of why the heck did I just stop all the income that I've been making for the last however many years, but stuck through the, you know, the hero's journey in a way of coming out the other side. With an online course that I launched for the first time in January of 2020, which was perfect timing because the pandemic hit in 2020, in March 2020, and I was determined to have 2020 be my first year in the course business. And I pulled it off. I did a launch in January, a launch in May, a launch in December with this concept of in many ways helping the underdog get their message out there versus having someone pay me thousands of dollars to hit record and film on their behalf. Right. I had kind of climbed up the ranks. So in terms of who I was working with as clients. And I felt like, oh, I want to help, like my friends get their message out there. Not just these people that can afford this hefty price tag of having me do it for them, which today honestly seems obvious. But in 2018, when I started, not so obvious that you should be filming on your phone. So now fast forward. I did that for six years, created weekly YouTube videos. Really never missed a week up until, you know, last year, I suppose I began to kind of. Well, actually, I'll rewind it a little bit. So in 2020, in May of 2020, I learned I was a projector in human design. So I was in the midst of this online course business and I began looking at the people that I was following online. Like Amy Porterfield being a really big one in terms of using a webinar to launch and make money online. And she's a manifesting generator. And it was like, great. I am. I went from this manifesting generator type business which we can describe like basically being a doer that is go, go go energy to another one that is the course business. As you likely have found out in the coaching world. You know, it's like instead of trading time for money, you just put in a ton of time hoping that the next launch is going to pay off. And whether it does or it doesn't, like it's kind of out of your control, right? I mean it's in your control to a degree, but it's a very different kind of working. But it's still very much a manifesting generator type business. So I let this system, it took a hold of me. I dove deep into it. I became obsessed with it. I after six months of having attempting to self study it, I went back to the person that I did my first reading with, Barbara Ditlow, who was someone that learned directly from the founder of the system Ra Ur. And I took all the classes that I could possibly take with her and was just all for myself initially.
Lou: What was like the oh my gosh, this describes me moment. Like how was that for you? Because I know for some people it's such like a waking up I find for projecting a lot. It's like a. I've heard it being such like a oh my gosh, like you know, the way society operates is not how I operate and it all kind of makes sense. So was there like a clear like moment or you know, it had to have been so strong since you're so into it.
Amanda: I'm imagining it was very strong. So I was in a mastermind group and this is often how people hear about human design. It's like, oh, do you know what your human design is? And I was like, what's that? I have no idea. I turned to YouTube. I watched one YouTube video who I then since have met the woman who filmed that YouTube video, which I love. Full circle moment there. And I am an investigator in human design which basically means I love to dive deep into things. And so I have a popsocket holder on my shower wall so that my phone, I can just watch something while I'm showering or watch a course or watch whatever. So I'm watching a YouTube video while showering about what it is to be a project. And it was like full body chills. Like, I felt like, wow. I feel this is crazy. Like, I have to look into this because the things that she. She was saying resonated so deeply with me in terms of giving advice that other people don't want to hear, you know, or having less energy than those around you. Like even being an athlete that gets injured more than other people get injured or different things like that as a projector. And so I then booked a reading with Barbara Ditlow. And I describe it as saying hello. And she told me my entire life story. And I was just floored. Like, I left that call, being like, I want to know everything that you know, and then attempted to go do it myself because I didn't realize she taught classes. So it was a very pivotal moment for me, undoubtedly.
Lou: So help me in my. Sometimes I feel like my understanding, as much as I've done readings, I've speaking with people that are really into it, I'm into it. I went really deep, I think, in spring of 2023. Deep for me. I'm not a huge deep diver. Um, but I was realizing that it was starting to constrict me. Like, I was starting to find the constriction in it rather than like, wait a second, this is. This is actually not serving me. So I took a long break and have since come back to it. But my simple understanding. So backtrack to your YouTube. You start this weekly commitment, which, if I'm being honest, I remember being in Peru and you doing that. And I think because I had tried YouTube in like 2016 and just nothing happened where I really had. I don't say I doubted you, but maybe I doubted you. I was like, there's no way she's going to. Like, how does this going to work? Like, she. I just had. I just didn't know. I know a lot more about YouTube nowadays and I see, like, the power in it. But back then I was like, oh, my gosh, that's a big. It seemed like a huge undertaking. And sure enough, you committed to the weekly. And I think what your YouTube channel is at like 75,000 or something and obviously have built a successful business. So you did it. But I can imagine, when I think back at your energy around it, it felt what I understand to be like, generator risk. I'm going to pump out a video a week. I'm committed to this. This is my goal. It's 30. It's this and this and this. And it sounds like you hit all of those goals. And so I'm just wondering, in my simple understanding, like it is, there's a few aspects here, like, was you making a goal based on maybe not your type? If that was true, like, did that. Is that what you felt? The unfulfillment of actually hitting the goal? I don't want to oversimplify that. And then. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Amanda: So it's interesting because I had a deep calling to YouTube. I had this voice that. And I would say this prior to learning human design and then discovering that my authority is splenic, which is yours as well, which is basically a voice that speaks to you, that guides you. I had no idea. I used to say in my marketing message, do you hear the voice that's calling you to video? And then I realized, okay, most people don't have that voice. That marketing message isn't working. But this voice, that's like. It was, I was. It was like, you should do video. You should do video. And it was like, no, I'm a behind the camera kind of girl. I film the videos. I'm not in front of the camera. And I was extremely anxious to get in front of the camera. And there was a lot to overcome to do that prior to actually starting on YouTube, many of which I teach on my YouTube channel. And. But there was this voice. And so I didn't necessarily understand why I was being called, but I was very clearly being called. And so what I've found today, I actually think having a YouTube channel or having an online presence is the best thing for a projector. Because if you can do it in a sustainable fashion, which is what everything that my YouTube channel is about, how to create videos without breaking the bank or taking out tons of your time. So it's very system oriented. Which projectors are very system oriented. I had to figure out how to do it sustainably. Right. Which made them not amazing necessarily videos like they were. They're kind of basic to a degree, but they worked. So really where the misalignment began to unfold was the thing that I was talking about. I am, without getting too into specifics, like I'm an individual in human design. There's three different kind of camps within human design where. Well, really there's many different things that can occur with human design. And at some point I'll circle back to. This is not a tool that will. It shouldn't close you in. But the way that a lot of people Talk about it. It does. And there's a whole other thing that I could talk about with that. But there's kind of these different buckets that you fall into at the very high level for those that are brand new to human design. It's helpful to understand there's generators, which are the doers of the world. There's manifesting generators, which are kind of like the gladiators of the world that can take an idea to reality really quickly. They're going to take shortcuts to make it happen. They'll probably drop a couple balls along the way, right? Like they're not going to go A to Z. And then there's the projectors, which is 20% of the population. They are here to be systems oriented. We're here to feel other people's energy. We're here to guide the generators to be more efficient when asked. Right. With that caveat. Then there's the manifestors, which is what you are. The manifesters are here to carve a path to the future. They're here to say, this is where we're going. Get behind me, let's make it happen. And generators get on board with their idea, assuming that they love what is needed to be done in order for that thing to be executed on. And they're, they have. I like to think about a manifesto like a bullet coming out of a gun. They're unstoppable when they have that idea, but they can't go forever, right? Like they have to pace themselves as the projector does as well. Then there's reflectors, which is 1% of the population. So generators and manifesting generators are 70%, projectors are 20%, manifestors are 9% and reflectors are 1%. So very few out there, but they do exist. I've met many of them and they have a completely reflective or a sampling aura that they can essentially, when they're around you, they're reflecting who you are to yourself. And so whenever someone meets a reflector, they often like them because you're seeing yourself in them. And they're here to really tell us is society healthy? What, what are we doing that's unhealthy? And, and it shows up physically for them and their physical experience. So they're more the analyzers of the world. So that's like the foundation. I forget where I was going with that.
Lou: Well, I'll ask the second part of the question. Makes total sense. There's something also you talked about Splenic that I want to ask here in a second. And for Those that have been following the podcast for a while. We did have a conversation on human design with Michael a while back. He is a reflector. So if you want a reflector's take. Um. Very unique. Very unique guy. I love Michael. A dear friend too. But so when I think of non energy, like, manifestors, projectors, non energy types, and I guess what I was getting at is you had a weekly commitment, which I've actually been served with a weekly commitment in my past too. So as I'm speaking this, I'm like, oh, probably it's not. I always want to find, like, a black and white, like, oh, manifesto projectors shouldn't have a weekly commitment. But maybe it's not that simple. It sounds like for you, what you realized was weekly commitment's okay, but doing it in a way that's sustainable and not burning you out. Like, because a generator can handle that maybe more than a projector or a manifestor, since we have that similar, you know, energy in that way.
Amanda: Yes. Okay. That is. Thank you for connecting those dots. Yeah. So it's. Your human design will not dictate what you can do necessarily, but it's more the how. It's your map for moving through life without resistance. And what happens is 70% of the population are generators, which does not mean that you are not unique. I want to really make that clear. It's. It's more so that, like, you have the same strategy for moving through the world. That's the only thing that's the same, like, wait to respond, wait for life to come to you. You magnetize life and you respond to it. So it's how you do something that ultimately matters. And one of my favorite parts of human design, and if I get it up in time for this podcast to come out, I'll link you guys to a resource that'll describe this further. But there's a question to ask for each of the white centers within your chart. And these questions help you distinguish between what's my energy and what's everyone else's energy in the world that I'm amplifying. And with these white centers, you get a lot of shoulds in your life. You should do it this way, you should do it that way. And so we think, oh, you should. Blank, blank, blank. Right. And one of those shoulds is consistency. To your point, I stopped being consistent. Like, I. In fact, last year, I had. I did a fire burning ceremony where the thing that I burned was letting go of pleasing the algorithm in terms of being consistent. And it was a Slow, slow burn. To kind of drop off to the point where this year I've posted four videos on YouTube when I'm used to posting 52. So I played the game of not showing up just to see what it looked like. The thing is, in today's world, you have to play the game, but it's how you play the game that matters. So you can't, like, disappear into a dark hole and live your strategy and authority and, like, everything unfolds perfectly for you. It's like, okay, how do you integrate with the society that we live in? Because it's not. It doesn't operate perfectly as we're all designed to be. So you gotta find the how that ultimately matters. Okay, I remembered the connect. I was going to describe the individuals. There's individuals, there's collective and tribal energy within the chart. Outside of these four types that exist, the individual is someone that does things on the fringes of society. You have this in your chart as well. Someone that is here for mutation and change and doing things kind of in a way that can be seen as freaky initially and then over time becomes seen as genius. Right. Like, oh, that's not going to work. And then, oh does. Right. So I am an individual. I am a pure individual. And what happened was the reason that I think I burned out is because I started as a disruptor that was taking videography and saying, you just do it yourself. And then the collective, which is the next set of individuals, they take the thing that the individual creates and they're going to perfect it through logical arguments, running experiments around it, having different experiences. And so there's always a moment where the thing that the individual's into hits the collective. And usually the individual is kind of over it by that point. You can experience that.
Lou: So you're saying that every. Yeah, 100% experience that. Sorry, I just caught that. You're saying that every type can be any of these buckets, and you can.
Amanda: Have a mixture of all three of them, too.
Lou: This is. I'm learning new stuff about human design. I didn't know if I was going to, like, experience new stuff about human design, but I'm appreciative of that. Wow, I did not know that. And I also had never heard of splenic authority spoken about as a voice that you listen to. I've only heard it speak about is like a very quick, like, ping, like this almost kind of ping like answer. But I've never heard it shared as a voice. So I'm curious if you see it as Both or if you think of it differently.
Amanda: The ping is a voice, in my opinion.
Lou: Okay. Yeah.
Amanda: So it can show up. It shows up in the moment. It's. It's also the spleen is the center for intuition. So when you think about intuition, how does intuition speak to you? It's like you're walking and it's like, don't take that path. Right. However you experience that ping, right. Sometimes it's like different people explain it differently. Right. And it's hard to really nail it down because it's something a little bit more abstract. Right. It's an abstract experience. But it's like learning being splenic authority is about really learning to trust whatever comes through and not make yourself wrong for it, even if it doesn't logically make sense.
Lou: Got it, got it. Okay, so that tracks a bit. Your YouTube bio mentions the term, another term, all new terms that I'm learning is traditional human design. I've never heard human design being like talked about anything besides human design. So what is traditional human design and what the heck other types of human design are out there?
Amanda: Okay, great question. So I'm in the midst of creating a human design documentary, really exploring this question. The problem with human design is the thing that you just said. I don't know if I'm going to learn anything new about human design. There's this concept online that I see as POP hd. Okay, POP Human design. All you're going to ever learn is your type, strategy and authority. You don't learn anything else. Every account that you follow, it's like, here's what you do as a projector today, here's your affirmation, here's whatever, right? Like send this to a friend that blah, blah, blah, you know, it's like the same thing repeating over and over again. And yet there's such a depth to this knowledge. And when you look at traditional human design, human design has a very mystical origin to it, which take it or leave it. Like even the Founder himself was like, this is an experiment. Don't believe everything that I say. Try it on for yourself and see what you think. Even he was like, this seems crazy, but he basically downloaded this information over a seven day period when. And he. The way that he received this information was very much a visual experience and a felt experience of whatever the information is that was he was he received, but it was not in words. And so he had to then take this and translate it into words. And there was a ton of different people that went into getting that process into words and A curriculum that can be taught. So the traditional human design approach to traditional human design is that you learn it layer by layer. You learn first the centers. It was 10 years before type even became a thing in human design. And yet the first thing that everyone learns today is type. But until you understand the nine centers, you can't really understand type, strategy and authority, because the definition of those nine centers is what ultimately creates type, strategy and authority. And then next you learn the gates and the channels, and then you go back through the whole chart and you learn the biological, the biology of each of the different functions of each of the centers, and then it goes deeper from there. So traditional human design is really honoring the, what I like to call source material that is as close to the revelation as you can get. Because the Founder is gone.
Lou: I didn't realize he was gone. Actually, I know because I've heard he was a manifester. So I guess that tracks with human design of bringing something new into the world. That's fascinating that. See, I find the Gates is where I stopped. I had a book and I'm like, all right, this is too much to understand. I don't think I really have a great an understanding of the centers enough. Do you find in your own experience or experiment with it? Do you ever find like something not tracking? And how do you like, reconcile with that? Like, where you have a line in this chart, like, is it just you are unaware of it or, you know, is there a part of you that resists it? I'm curious, like, how you experience it. And it sounds like you're, you are experimenting. So I'm assuming maybe you're not taking it as all capital T truth. But how do you. Yeah, how do you navigate those things that are maybe difficult to reconcile or just feel flat out not true?
Amanda: Yeah. So I have been in this system for a little over four years now, since 2020. Right. And in that time you go through, they say it's like a seven year deconditioning cycle, which in and of itself is like a questionable phrase because when does that actually start? Does that start the second you learn human design? Does that start when you know your strategy and authority and start to use it like all the things. Right. And I can tell you I've gotten a lot.
Lou: I was gonna point out it's a very culty like thing to say. Right. We're going through like a deconditioning cycle. I. I love cult documentaries. Like, they're my favorite thing in the world. But yes, continue. Sorry.
Amanda: Yeah, no, a hundred percent and there's. There's many conversations within the human design community too, around, like, it really is not a cult, the more you dig into it. And yet there are cult like things in it, like shared language. Right? That's like a huge thing. And cults. And so there is an element of human design that it's like, if you don't understand, it's like, oh, yeah, if you have, you have 1858 and 10, 20 and all the things.
Lou: Right. Like.
Amanda: So, ah, the cult thing, where was it going?
Amanda: Connected to that?
Lou: You're talking about deconditioning. It takes seven years.
Amanda: Oh, right, yeah. So during that time, I have had times where I was like, I want to forget human design. Like, it almost got to the point where it was so scary and things were kind of falling apart in my life a little bit and not doing things how I've done it for years, where it was like, is this really benefiting me? Like, is this really benefiting my life? And I, you know, would text my human design teacher and be like, oh my gosh, like, I don't know if I want to believe this anymore. And yet every time, like, it just kept ringing true. And I'm also, I grew up Christian. I still resonate with being Christian. And I would pray God, if you're not in the system, show me. And over and over again it was like, keep going, keep going. And so I just kept going. And it's wild, the internal experience of life today versus back in 2020. And like, the way that I've slowly unraveled things by working with the chart. So, for example, I. My only channel is called the channel of struggle. So when people say, you know, this locks you in. Okay, so how do I believe that the only channel, the only consistent energy that I have in my chart, because that's what channels are. It's your most consistent energy, is the channel of struggle. Well, I have since done a lot of work on this channel and a lot of people say, oh, we need to rebrand that channel, which is a whole other sector of human design, people that are changing the language. And that's the difference between traditional human design and what's evolving, which I'm learning. There's more to the story there, but to be continued. So I believe that when you hear these phrases and stuff, it hits your cells at a certain frequency. It's literally like a. A frequency exchange that occurs and it begins to unlock something within you, even if you don't necessarily mentally understand it. And that's why I value traditional Human design. So the channel of struggle is being able to take a risk to find purpose and meaning in life. So while it's called the ch, the reason the struggle comes into it is because the person that desires purpose often doesn't take the easiest path in life. Right. It's like you end up saying, I'm going to burn down my entire YouTube channel because I don't feel in alignment anymore. Or I'm going to pass off my entire video production company because I don't.
Lou: I don't.
Amanda: I don't want to do this anymore. Right. So there's. I've redefined a lot of the language of. Or of how the language, what it means to me. And I've learned that I get to choose my struggles. And so the struggle that I'm currently choosing in life is the struggle of alignment in a life of ease. I. I truly believe that if you take the risk to live a life of ease, then there's no other way but to live a life of ease. But it will be a struggle.
Lou: Let me tell you, you talking about the words being important, like, let's say if these were the words that were experienced or came through in the beginning, like, there's probably an energetic quality to them that's not meant to be understood mentally, but actually realized in some ways or actually reminds me of like a Zen koan in a way. It's like, oh, what's the channel of struggle that I can under? I can mentalize a lot of examples of what that is, but if I were to live it, there's almost like the embodied, like, intuition or realization of, oh, that's actually what it is for me, rather than trying to mentalize it. Yeah, super interesting.
Amanda: Yeah. Like, you have the channel of judgment.
Lou: So tell me about it.
Amanda: It's collective. So while you are. You have a big part of your chart as individual being on the fringe, bringing mutation into the world, and then of course, being a manifester in that as well. The channel of judgment is a pressure to correct and a joy of correcting. Do you resonate with that? You only have part of it conscious, actually.
Lou: But, yeah, I feel. I can see that. I feel too much for me, like, I don't feel like I do. Like, I'll do that internally, maybe, or I'll be like, oh, there's. I have a thought of that, but I'm not going to say it. Like, the idea of arguing with people, like, on Instagram, like, I just don't have. My nervous system doesn't feel like it wants to Handle that. Like, the stress of. That creates. Of. Of having to, like, hey, I have something that could be conflicting, a judgment to share. I'm not going to say it just because I don't want to deal with the energy around that. So I would say I rarely will act on correcting, but maybe internally I have it more in some ways.
Amanda: Yeah. And so what's fascinating is now you have this recorded on this date of 11 12, 20, 24. From here on, you'll start to pay attention to it, and it's like a flip went off. Like, it's like you turned on a switch to the blind spots in your life and you'll start to see how there's a joy of correcting that. It's, it's, it's a very. It can be a misunderstood energy because it might, like, call someone out for something. And it is a projected channel, which means, like, even if you're a manifester, you do need to be wait. You need to wait for the invitation to correct. And so you're right in doing that. Like, you shouldn't just go out and tell everyone. You should do these things differently. And you've probably learned that through experience in life too, that it doesn't go well.
Lou: Would you mean, like, if it was an invitation or an opening? Like, there's a joy in, like, standing in my truth of like, hey, here's what I believe. Like, here's. Here's the way to.
Amanda: It's less of what you believe and more. So this is the thing that needs to get fixed so that this whole thing works better.
Lou: Got it, Got it.
Amanda: It's calling out and it's very logical. It's not emotional.
Lou: Interesting. Okay, I'm gonna, I'll, I'll, I'll contemplate on that and see how this shows up. Thanks. Thanks for the reading on it. So I'd love to, if you'd be open to talking, where were your actual business numbers at when you quote, unquote, burned it down? Because I think that can be really inspiring for people of like, well, you're making xyz and you said no to that to go this. And like, how have you navigated your. You know, I, you know, I feel like I've heard stories of, you know, I'm making six figures a year and I burned it down. And when I did that, then I, you know, made seven figures. You know what I mean? There's like the stories of, like, the Quantum Leap, so to speak. So I'm just wondering how that's been for you, like, where were you?
Amanda: Great question.
Lou: What were you making? How'd you, you know, were you able to keep some of it? Like, are you still making some of it, you know, through just the, you know, the asset that you build? Um, yeah. Where are you at and all that?
Amanda: Yeah. So with my video production company, I was doing 250,000 per year when I stepped away from it. And I had dream clients. I've signed NDAs and can't talk about it, but I have dream clients.
Lou: I know one of your clients. That was pretty awesome.
Amanda: Yeah. Um, and so that's where that was.
Lou: You include that with the YouTube? Cause I feel like you were doing that before going hard on YouTube. Like.
Amanda: Yeah, that was. That's what I left. That's what I passed off my entire client list to my subcontractor and stepped entirely away from that business.
Lou: Yeah. Wow.
Amanda: In order to start on YouTube, because I knew that I needed time to build a course in order to get that up into the market. Which there's many different ways of doing that these days where you don't have to build the entire course before you actually launch it. So if you're hearing this, don't think you need to do it that way. But I did.
Lou: I'm a big believer now. Not how Eric Noah Kagan sell the thing before you build it.
Amanda: Yes, exactly. So that was that. My first year in the. The online course business. I did 100k in the first year, which is significant for your first year. And in the course business, it worked really well.
Lou: And this was courses on video marketing.
Amanda: It was one course on how to create videos without breaking the bank or taking out tons of your time.
Lou: Amazing.
Amanda: And so then that was like kind of a burn it down process because the next year I didn't turn around and launch again because I had already known my human design. I also, I think, got off birth control in December of 2019, which I was on it for 10 years, and ended up waking up. Like my body woke up. And so I became. I became cycle syncing, living according to my female cycle and running my business according to my female cycle. There was just a big alignment piece that kind of came through in terms of I want to live according to my human design and I want to honor my cycle in 2021, I believe. And so I didn't launch at all. I put my course on Evergreen. It's still selling in the background from the work that I did then. All right. I think it's through YouTube.
Lou: I go to a YouTube video. Like, there's a funnel of like, do you have like a. Do you have like an actual like email sequence funnel type of thing or.
Amanda: People just like jumping webinar with a deadline funnel in it. That it was my passive income strategy for becoming a mom, which I did end up getting surprisingly surprise pregnancy in 2021. So this all aligned, right? Like, get my female cycle and check all the things and then boom, got pregnant. Okay, you got to get your, you know, whatever together, like to have this baby. So get this course on Evergreen. Turn the webinar into an evergreen thing. Buy before the end of the webinar, you get a certain price off. If you don't, you still have a certain amount of time to get it for a certain price before it goes up. And so that is still running in the background and people still join it today. So that has been happening in the background. And then in addition, I began focusing more on passive. I really prioritize passive income affiliates promoting different products, building in different things to YouTube that would build that over time. Affiliate revenue is very much like a slow crawl, but it can get to a really solid point. And then this year I entirely stopped initiating and actually gave myself a safety net to plan. So this year it's almost like a negative year for me. Like, I was like, everything. Like, I haven't posted on YouTube. Like, I was like, I just want to entirely step away from initiating anything and just wait for the invitation and see what happens. And in that process, this human design documentary came through and the new direction for my brand.
Lou: And so what did tell me more about the documentary?
Amanda: So I'm going and talking to all the early adopters who learned directly from the founder himself. I'm asking them how the curriculum was developed, how this information was assimilated into what the system is that we know it today. What. There's lots of controversy. There's a lot of politics in human design as you get into it, many different camps and belief systems. And what's beautiful is it's all unfolded via invitation in a really cool way, which is wild to experience as a projector. No initiation needed.
Lou: So for projectors out there, like, does that mean. I think in being a manifester, I used to just feel like sometimes like, okay, the. The opportunity that's going to catalyze something is coming through my inbox. Like one day I'm just going to keep putting enough energy out there and that opportunity is going to come through my inbox. And there's a part of me that maybe still thinks that, but I think in learning human design. And please correct me if any of this assumption is wrong. In learning my human design, I've kind of been like, no, no opportunities come through my inbox. Like, I'm creating the opportunity. Like, I'm making it happen and that's how it's going to happen. Right? And it's a reason why I've actually paused people trying to be on the podcast. I'm like, what am I doing? Like, I'm just lazy because I don't want to reach out to people and actually like ask people to be on the podcast. It's just easy for me when people reach out and say, hey, you know, I found podcast, can I be a guest on it? And that's not to say I'll never do that again, but I needed to say, like, hey, I'm stopping that for a while because I'm not choosing the energy on my guest. I'm not actually talking to people that I decided who I want to talk to. So that's been like a noticeable shift. And so correct me if that feels wrong, but for a projector, is it actually, I'm not going to make things happen. I'm going to wait for the inbox, I'm going to wait for the email. Like, is that a just like, clear kind of.
Amanda: Totally. The inbox is a gold mine. And that's why having a online presence, I think is so key as a projector. And now like, one of the things that I do, I have, I have like really high ticket clients that I work with at a very intensive daily touch point. And I'm working with the projector. And like, our main goal right now is just to get more of her out into the world so that people can see your energy and see who you are, so that more people can invite you to it. And also having the proper containers for people to plug into, because people won't reach out and say, I want to pay you this amount of money for this exact thing. You have to create that container based on what you're experiencing and witnessing in the world. So there's still, there's a lot of nuances in my opinion that come with wait for the invitation. But the way that I see it is like, and to touch upon your point, you're not wrong that the manifester is here to initiate and create on their own. And so I think that's, that's a perfect example of the. How you're still doing a podcast, but how you're doing a podcast has changed based on the wisdom that you have gained through knowing your design. Right. So with Wait for the invitation, I always tell people, forget about wait for the invitation and, like, follow your fascinations.
Lou: Got it.
Amanda: While you wait. Because Wait for the invitation is very passive, but you don't have to be passive as a projector.
Lou: So getting nitty gritty. Just because I know projector coaches, let's say, like, let's say they do an email. Like, should they not even say, like, hey, if you want to work with me, here's where you can book a call. Because that's like them inviting other people. Like, this is where I get like, no, because they.
Amanda: So that's the cool thing about YouTube. That's the cool thing without. So like the founder of Human Design Raw, he said that projectors were lost before the Internet. And I can totally see that because when you click on my email, that's an invitation. When you click on my YouTube video, that's an invitation. And so you can share without having to wait in that format.
Lou: Right. So it's. Got it, got it, got it. So the call to actions are still okay?
Amanda: Yeah.
Lou: Yeah.
Amanda: Call to actions are still okay?
Lou: Yeah. Trying to think of any other, like, energy types in, like, the coaching meditation world to explain or talk about, like, how they could be doing. I'll just give an example of what I've learned that's been helpful for me is the idea of running, like, the same course over and over again. Like the same program over and over again. Like, that sounds, like, so boring for me. I have one group mastermind, but what I love about it is that it's not. It's kind of like og traditional mastermind in the sense that sometimes I have an idea of what we're going to do, but it's often not planned. We're just kind of group energy vibing in the moment, which is fun and keeps things fresh for me. But the idea of doing something that I don't want to do or doing something that maybe is lucrative but is not working. Letting that go and permission to let that go for me, which I guess can be a broad thing for anyone in some ways. Like, if you're not enjoying it, like, don't do it.
Amanda: Especially generators.
Lou: Generators too.
Amanda: Especially generators. Because they're here to do things that they're satisfied doing. And so if you're doing things that you're not satisfied doing that are. You're draining your energy and that's what leads to burnout as generators. There's a mispercept. Misconception that generators have all this energy in the world and they can just keep going, going, going. When in reality, like most generators do things. They show up for a job every single day that they hate and they're waiting for something else to come. But there's a react. There's like. Because they filled their plate, they're a frustrated generator that's lacking energy and that's stopping the invitation, that's stopping opportunities from coming their way. Right. So, yeah, for you, it's like, really? It's like waiting for the download to come. That's like, this is what I want to do. I just the other day watched the Martha Stewart documentary on Netflix. Highly recommend watching that as well.
Lou: She's from my hometown and I think she's a. She's a 46 manifesto, right? Yes.
Amanda: Yeah.
Lou: Me and her 46 manifesters from the same town.
Amanda: Okay. Love it. Yeah. And so people didn't like her. There was a big piece of her energy that people were against. And it's because manifesters are here to make waves in the world. You're here to make an impact, and if you're scared of stepping on toes, you won't make the impact that you're here to make. And so you have to be okay being big and ruffling feathers in order to achieve, you know? And so it's about waiting for that divine download to come in via your spleen. And then it's like, this is it. And you get this huge surge of energy, and you've probably experienced this in the past, and you create a ton of stuff in a short period of time and then that energy burns out and you're like, okay, it's out in the world and you wait for the next one, you know?
Lou: Yeah, yeah. How do you recommend, I guess, manifest speak for myself? Like, the waiting period, because that's always the. That's been the tough time thing for me, of the creative urge, creative cycle versus the rest cycle. Like when I think back, yeah, there were definitely moments where those sparks came. Like this podcast rebranding being one of them. Like, it wasn't the art and business of meditation, but it has been now for over, you know, maybe 18 months, maybe almost that. And so that was a big, like, oh, boom, this is it. And I've definitely had moments like that, but I feel like I never just rest. Like, I'm always doing something, I'm always continuing. I'm always writing a blog. I'm always like. And so is that. Am I just. Am I getting in my own way for, like, the big energy to come through because I am always consistently week to week doing something, even if it's not the big like burst. Like, I've always had a tough time with the rest cycle because I have such a tough time with rest in general, or I'm seeing clients too. Like, I have one on one. If I have clients, like, you know, I. That's a different energy in some ways. So, yeah, curious, like your thoughts on, I guess, manifestors specifically in that way.
Amanda: I mean, this is where. So going back to like very traditional human design, it starts with the centers and that eventually dictates type, strategy and authority. But like as a manifest, like you have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 white centers in your chart. You see that, right? So though each center has a question to ask for it. The question for the open sacral, which is going to be all projectors, all manifestors, all reflectors will have this, is do I know when enough is enough? So starting by asking that question, it doesn't mean there's a misconception, once again, that projectors can only work four hours per day. Manifestors can. They're either, you know that it's true that you're either like 200% or like 20. Like, there's an element of that, but there's also like daily life that we all have to get through. And so when you ask the question, do I know when enough is enough? You can manage your energy between those surges to where you're making sure you go to bed with a little bit left in your tank every night. So it's like, you know, as a toddler mom who also works and likes to work out, it's like, okay, look at the day. At the end of the day, it's like, do I have energy to cook dinner? Do I have energy to clean the house? Do I know when enough is enough? Start there. And it seems so minor, but that makes a huge difference. And then for you as well, the question for the open ego is, do I. Do I think I have something to prove and this will be a big grip on your life? I, I have it too.
Lou: But it's like, yeah, yeah, go for it. No, that's. That's definitely big. Like, is it prove? Like, there's a part of me that sees it as I have something to prove to myself and then feels. And this is where I'm an enneagram3. I don't know if you follow in other personality profilings, but I have an Enneagram 3 too. Are you really Interesting. So do you find. Yeah, I find the overlap, Enneagram and mbti, like I find them all very use. They're very different, but they're like very useful and kind of I have this, I'm not going to be the one that creates it. Maybe I will, but I don't think I'm that analytical. But I have a vision of like some meta personality profiling that takes human design, MBTI and Enneagram and like puts them together in some, like maybe we could chat GPT and it can do it. But so the worth, the proving myself, like, I think that's such a core wound of being worthy or not worthy and feeling like my achievement is my worth. And so if I'm not achieving today, if I haven't produced and I'm doing something to the public that seems valuable, it feels like a little death or something. So this is where I'm like, okay, does the manifester and the enneagram3 like, does that add to the, you know, that exemplifies it in some ways. So yeah, I don't know, I'm just wondering.
Amanda: I think the way that you just said that is beautifully put. Like you, you know, the individual, there's like a knowing that you carry that you can't explain based on experience or logic, but that it's there. And I find a lot of people, especially individuals that come to human design, that they kind of get it like in a, in a way. So the ego is the center for self esteem and when it's white within your chart, you have an inconsistent experience of that self esteem. It's going to be defined by other people around you as well as the planets moving in the sky and different activations in your chart. Yours is completely open, which means that you're like, it's a clear center that when someone comes around you with a certain definition, you will very much feel their experience of self esteem in your own body. But it's inconsistent because it's moving consistently. Now I'll give the the caveat that technically people say like, oh, reflect. Manifestors have a repelling aura and they can't pick up other people's energy as much. You know, play with it, experiment and see what another thing is. Like you could experience the transits in the sky. Like a long activation could come through to where for 8 months your experience experiencing a defined ego and it feels so good, you feel consistently on, on point. And then it goes away and you're like, what happened? Right? That was like a shift. And so each of these questions for the open centers allow you to not have to follow the transits to not have to worry who's in your aura, because it begins to help you return to who you are despite who's around by asking these questions. So do I think I have something to prove? Is like, yes, okay, you get a free ride in this lifetime. You ain't got nothing to prove. Like, like, sit back. Life is already going to come to you. You know, an urge will hit and you will go and you will do that thing. And you don't need to prove yourself. You're not doing it from that place. You're doing it from a very different place, which is in intuition, you know.
Lou: You mentioned not needing to wait for transits. Was that astrological kind of talk? Because you brought up even before. I don't know if we hit record, but you're talking or maybe we were talking about it on recording, but around like I was doing this chart and this thing and I resonate with human design. I know it's astrological based astrology. It just never landed for me. It never resonated for me. And this was actually a Yogananda thing. And Yogananda was a manifester too, where he would tell his followers or he would tell his team to pick the most ominous day for him to do something to prove, he was saying, to prove that God was greater than any astrological thing. In some ways that actually, yes, that that's the biggest power. And I've always resonated a lot with that. It's like not needing to pick the right day or I've never felt in these cycles of astrological energy, is that a manifester thing? Is that a lack of awareness thing? Like I'm in. I'll parlay that question with another question that's similar in like, in like, you know, the closed aura. And I'm sorry, friends for listening and I'm speaking for myself, but hopefully 9% of you are really enjoying this. For my own, for the closed aura. And I don't have any intention of being this type of healer and like the energy healer or the empath, I'm able to really like be with people's energy. And I'm like, I don't accept experience that. And is that. Could that be a manifesto closed aura thing or is we working kind of differently in that way? So two similar questions.
Amanda: But yeah, yes, fantastic questions once again. So I'll hit the last one first and then we'll circle back around to the transits. So the first is empath. Being an empath to other people. And so you have what we call an open solar plexus, which is, I don't know. Should have asked if you're even okay showing your child.
Lou: Please, I'm an open book.
Amanda: Okay, so this one right here, we won't show your birthday, but this one right here on the right, right side of the chart is the solar plexus. So if it's white within your chart, then this is relevant to you. For anyone that's never looked at their chart, you can go to mybodygraph.com to get your chart for free. Or you can get the Neutrino app on your phone if you're going to look up many different people's charts. That's my favorite app by far, but it is a paid out, very minimal fee. Anyway, if this is white within your chart, you were considered off the emotional wave. I am also off the emotional wave. 50% of the population. When you look at 50% of charts, 50% will have it colored in, 50% will not. It's always interesting if your partner does or not for a relationship. So when you're off the emotional wave. Well, we'll start with when you're on the emotional wave. When you're on the emotional wave, you have a consistent experience of emotions from fear to pain to joy and back again. They are riding their emotional wave, and they actually need to ride their emotional wave to gain clarity about decisions. So they don't necessarily have clarity in the moment. They have to really wait a longer period of time to understand whether I'm at the high of my wave or the low of my wave. Does this decision still feel right for me? Usually they optimize. They operate the opposite. Oh, my gosh, this is so exciting. Boom. I'm making a decision. And then they regret it the next day, right? Or think about, like an emotional breakup where they're on, off, on, off. It's like they made a decision to cut the relationship at the low of their wave. And then the next day they're like, oh, I want to be together again. You know, it's like, don't make decisions at the height or bottom of your wave if you're emotional. Now, the rest of us that are undefined emotionally off the emotional wave. When we're not being activated by other people or by transits, we're chill. It's like chill as a cucumber. Right now. There's this huge somatic movement. I'm big into somatics. I get like, I get it. You know, the embodiment piece is huge for me. And There is a side that if you're off the emotional wave, sometimes I think people make themselves wrong for suppressing emotions, when in fact, if you're off the emotional wave, those emotions might just not be present right now. It's not that you're suppressing them, it's just that they're not active. And so there's, it's not that you can't have an ability to tap into your emotions, but there's this whole other part of society that's realizing the value of feeling your emotions because that's where that's their decision making strategy. You know, if they don't feel their emotions, then they don't have clarity. Right. So it's kind of an interesting nuance. Now what happens in relationship is the person that is off the emotional wave, the question to ask for that open center is am I avoiding confrontation and truth? And that's because you tend to walk on eggshells to avoid the emotional outbursts that will come from the emotional individual. And so you don't want to trigger them. And so you push down your truth and go along with whatever they want to do just to make them happy. And that pulls you off track from what you want to do in life. And so this concept of being an empath, coming back to that technically you are empathic to other people's emotions because you, you can. Now with the nuance that you're, you've got the close and repelling aura, you're not going to feel it as much as me as a projector that's absorbing someone else's and someone else's emotions. Right. There's going to be a difference there. A little less impacted. What you will be impacted by is the transits. So I say you don't have to track the transits. You can ask these questions. It's not that the transits don't impact you. It's that if you understand how to ask these questions and know that you need to not avoid your truth no matter what's happening, you can continue on your path without it actually impacting you. But the felt experience still might be different. You might still feel emotions because you're being emotionally defined. Does that make sense?
Lou: It does, it does.
Amanda: Because one nuance is. That definition occurs when a hanging gate has another one linking to it. And so that center gets defined. So it's like a positive and negative hanging out. Either people can, can activate it or a planet moving, hitting that placement can activate it. It's key information.
Lou: Yeah, yeah. Deep, deep stuff. You mentioned A couple apps. And you also in your Instagram talked about family human design analysis, and you mentioned that app, like, where you could do the family is those similar. And like, I'm just curious, I've never. Another term in human design I've never heard before.
Amanda: Was that so family analysis.
Lou: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that just. Does someone need a human design reader to understand that? Or if like, is there like the app that'll tell you, like. Oh, like a. The story of your family constellation if you put people in there?
Amanda: You know, it's kind of one of those things that I'm amazed that more people don't do it. It was such a natural thing for me to do. When. When you're a projector in human design, the question that we ask is, who are you? Who are you? The question Generators, 70% of the population ask is, who am I? So they don't care about anyone else's chart. They care about their own. You know, you ask, who do I impact? Like, you're aware of this, like, natural way that you impact people, whether you leave a room, whether you know, you know you're going to impact Kelly, you're going to impact your parents if you put out a podcast. And it's a different the subject than they like or whatever it is, right? Like you're aware of who you impact. So as a projector, who are you? We're very curious about everyone around us. So when I found out human design, I looked up my entire family's chart and I quickly just put them onto one page. And what's cool about human design is its visual energy. You can see where you're white, which is where you're receptive to other people's energy. That's what we've been diving into in terms of the open centers. So having an open sacral being receptive to the generator energy around you and amplifying that and thinking you're a go, go, go person, when in reality you have limited energy, right? Or the emotional system being open, receiving people's emotional energy. Sometimes people that are undefined off the emotional wave are more emotional than the people that are on it because they. It's inconsistent. They don't know how to work with it. It's hitting them from all different directions. Right? So white receptive color is impact and you can see it when you lay out your whole family. And what I suggest people do is just get curious and then let that guide your human design exploration. So instead of just reading about random things on Instagram via pophd, like I'M a projector and I need to do this. It's like, oh, let me actually see. Wow. My whole family was emotionally defined and I was not. There might be a tendency for me to avoid my truth and push that down. And as long as I'm doing that, I'll never hear the splenic hits that I'm. I'm receiving because I've clogged my energy with all of this conditioning for how I've learned to get through the world.
Lou: Brilliant. So, Amanda, thank you for taking the time. You mentioned a couple apps and charts and you also mentioned not to do one app. So not to throw someone under the bus, but I was. That's. I know that I would go to like my human design typically to get human design chart. Is that more like the pop hd. Is that, is that aligned to that?
Amanda: So I try to push people away from my HD. I think she's doing myhumandesign.com it's Jenna Zoe. She's doing a great job of getting human design out to the public, like at a big level. She's hit many different podcasts that are big name podcasts. However, she is someone that is changing the language and she self admittedly says that. Right. So she's on the camp of that. And in my opinion, if you don't receive the original language, it's not going to hit yourselves at a certain level to begin that process of actually landing. And so it's helpful maybe to reference it. However, I think the Neutrino design app does a better job of actually giving you the original language. So I would push people there instead.
Lou: Amazing. And any place else you want to send people to. How can people get clued in on the documentary? I can't. I'm so excited to see this come out. Yeah. Anywhere else you want to send people to?
Amanda: Yeah. So depending on when this is going to come out, amandahorvat.com will be the hub. I'm in the midst of rebranding right now and then I also have a quick start guide to human design. So if you're brand new to this, but this is interesting, I highly recommend going to watch that. It's a three part video series that breaks down all the types, your strategy and authority and then has a series that kind of coaches you through the process of getting up and running with human design. So we can link that in the show notes as well.
Lou: Amazing. Thank you so much, Mana. This was so fun. Getting into the weeds of hd. I knew and getting my own chart read for free. I love that. Thanks, Amanda. And thanks, everyone, for listening. Take care.